use of Bauhaus font

WayneM · Joined: 04 Oct 2007 Posts: 9

Hello,
(sorry but this is not about VB deployment specifically but a general
deployment question)

I took over a project that has all of it's controls using a Bauhaus font.
What I found out last week is that the Bauhaus fonts are installed with
Microsoft Office and not part of the Windows install.
So I thought my choices were to replace the font choice in all of the
controls (not going to happen) or to find out how/where I can distribute the
font with our windows application.

I looked at a handful of sites that sold fonts, but in almost all cases the
price (ranging from zero to hundreds) all dealt with limited distribution -
so we would need to discuss with them packaging it with our app to give out
to customers.

I also thought it was worth talking to Microsoft about the problem -
assuming that they've had this question before. I talked to the MSDN
Concierge but they were not sure where to direct me. They sent me to
somewhere at Microsoft and they sent me to pre-sales where I left my name and
message and they would get back to me within 24 hours (gee that was a week
ago without a call-back... ahem).

So can somebody recommend who to talk to at Microsoft about distributing a
font that is in the Office product
OR
a place that sells fonts that can be freely distributed (that doesn't cost
an outrageous amount).

Thanks.

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Ralph · Joined: 04 Oct 2007 Posts: 4148

"WayneM" wrote in message@microsoft.com...
> Hello,
> (sorry but this is not about VB deployment specifically but a general
> deployment question)
>
> I took over a project that has all of it's controls using a Bauhaus font.
> What I found out last week is that the Bauhaus fonts are installed with
> Microsoft Office and not part of the Windows install.
> So I thought my choices were to replace the font choice in all of the
> controls (not going to happen) or to find out how/where I can distribute
the
> font with our windows application.
>
> I looked at a handful of sites that sold fonts, but in almost all cases
the
> price (ranging from zero to hundreds) all dealt with limited
distribution -
> so we would need to discuss with them packaging it with our app to give
out
> to customers.
>
> I also thought it was worth talking to Microsoft about the problem -
> assuming that they've had this question before. I talked to the MSDN
> Concierge but they were not sure where to direct me. They sent me to
> somewhere at Microsoft and they sent me to pre-sales where I left my name
and
> message and they would get back to me within 24 hours (gee that was a week
> ago without a call-back... ahem).
>
> So can somebody recommend who to talk to at Microsoft about distributing a
> font that is in the Office product
> OR
> a place that sells fonts that can be freely distributed (that doesn't cost
> an outrageous amount).
>
> Thanks.
>

You aren't likely to hear from MS as there is no way for them to separately
license Office fonts. Not only is there not an accounting slot, but in some
cases MS is licensing the fonts themselves, ie, they don't own them either.
I don't know the status of "Bauhaus".

You can use these fonts on any machine that has Office installed without too
much brow-lifting, though, even that is touchy as one really only has use of
them in an "Office Application", a separate Office utility or Addin would
qualify, a non-office application would not.

This is something that should have come out doing code reviews. But since
that horse has left the barn - it is either, just as you have determined,
require Office to be installed (still shaky), license another font at
(always) outrageous prices, or replace it.

Well there is a third - just ship and hope you don't get caught, meanwhile
starting sending out resumes.

-ralph

WayneM · Joined: 04 Oct 2007 Posts: 9

Thanks for the info Ralph.

I'd never ship their font, that just seems wrong and dangerous and I don't
even say that winkingly.

Interesting how you say that it is "acceptable" to use the font if Office is
installed. Aside from MS making the operating system and Office, I would say
that it is MS the OS maker that came up with the fault that the only (simple)
way to use a font is to toss it into the folder with all the others. There
isn't any way to easily sort out which source the font came from. So how am I
(the app-builder) to know what fonts I am allowed to use and what ones not
allowed. It is possible the user purchased a font for their their machine and
I am certainly entitled to use that font they bought. Sorting out what ones I
am allowed and not allowed I would say falls on the OS.

So regardless of that debate, our fall-back plan is to ship the app (without
any fonts included) and hopefully MS has done their marketing well and at
least 9 out of 10 users will have Office or Word installed. We'll leave a
note for those recommending they have Office (but I'd rather not tell them
the silly reason why) and if they don't they can go out and buy the Bauhaus
font which will improve the "user experience".

"Ralph" wrote:

> You aren't likely to hear from MS as there is no way for them to separately
> license Office fonts. Not only is there not an accounting slot, but in some
> cases MS is licensing the fonts themselves, ie, they don't own them either.
> I don't know the status of "Bauhaus".
>
> You can use these fonts on any machine that has Office installed without too
> much brow-lifting, though, even that is touchy as one really only has use of
> them in an "Office Application", a separate Office utility or Addin would
> qualify, a non-office application would not.
>
> This is something that should have come out doing code reviews. But since
> that horse has left the barn - it is either, just as you have determined,
> require Office to be installed (still shaky), license another font at
> (always) outrageous prices, or replace it.
>
> Well there is a third - just ship and hope you don't get caught, meanwhile
> starting sending out resumes.
>
> -ralph
>
>
>
>
>

"Jan Hyde · Joined: 04 Oct 2007 Posts: 466

WayneM 's wild thoughts
were released on Tue, 28 Aug 2007 08:04:02 -0700 bearing the
following fruit:

>Hello,
>(sorry but this is not about VB deployment specifically but a general
>deployment question)
>
>I took over a project that has all of it's controls using a Bauhaus font.
>What I found out last week is that the Bauhaus fonts are installed with
>Microsoft Office and not part of the Windows install.
>So I thought my choices were to replace the font choice in all of the
>controls (not going to happen)

Why it should be easy enough to do. Just write a little VB
app to go through all the frm files and change the font.

J

>or to find out how/where I can distribute the
>font with our windows application.
>
>I looked at a handful of sites that sold fonts, but in almost all cases the
>price (ranging from zero to hundreds) all dealt with limited distribution -
>so we would need to discuss with them packaging it with our app to give out
>to customers.
>
>I also thought it was worth talking to Microsoft about the problem -
>assuming that they've had this question before. I talked to the MSDN
>Concierge but they were not sure where to direct me. They sent me to
>somewhere at Microsoft and they sent me to pre-sales where I left my name and
>message and they would get back to me within 24 hours (gee that was a week
>ago without a call-back... ahem).
>
>So can somebody recommend who to talk to at Microsoft about distributing a
>font that is in the Office product
>OR
>a place that sells fonts that can be freely distributed (that doesn't cost
>an outrageous amount).
>
>Thanks.

--
Jan Hyde

https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Jan.Hyde

Ralph · Joined: 04 Oct 2007 Posts: 4148

"Jan Hyde (VB MVP)" wrote in message@4ax.com...
> WayneM 's wild thoughts
> were released on Tue, 28 Aug 2007 08:04:02 -0700 bearing the
> following fruit:
>
> >Hello,
> >(sorry but this is not about VB deployment specifically but a general
> >deployment question)
> >
> >I took over a project that has all of it's controls using a Bauhaus font.
> >What I found out last week is that the Bauhaus fonts are installed with
> >Microsoft Office and not part of the Windows install.
> >So I thought my choices were to replace the font choice in all of the
> >controls (not going to happen)
>
> Why it should be easy enough to do. Just write a little VB
> app to go through all the frm files and change the font.
>
> J
>

Me thinks there is a pointy-haired boss and a death march to delivery
somewhere in the mix.

-ralph

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