HELP! Sourcesafe hosed my project!

AppleBag · Joined: 04 Oct 2007 Posts: 24

Hello all,

Let me preface by saying I am completely new to Sourcesafe. =/

I was using VSS 2K5 with VB6. I had my .vbp (project) file checked out,
and my frmMain checked out. I spent about an hour and a half working on
alot of things, saving locally often, but never checking the files into
VSS.

Then I made a change that I didn't like and wanted to revert to a
previous version. I'm new to VSS and wasn't sure how to do this, but I
figured that since I'd saved locally even if something went wrong I
could just reload my local copy. I click "Check out" on the frmMain
(even though it was already checked out" and I get a crash in VB.

When I go to reload my local copy I get errors in some things that I
hadn't even messed with previously, and then a out of memory error. So
I open frmMain.frx and try editing out the properties that it says are
erroring. So on the next load I just end up with the out of memory
error. No amount of shutting down other programs will free up enough
memory.

So now I'm at a point where whenever I try to view the frmMain in the
IDE, it just crashes vb entirely. It' is a large project so deleting
frmMain.frx and trying to re-add everything is a MAAJOR chore.

Also, for some reason, all of the changes I spent that hour and a half
on are completely gone! Agggh!

Does anyone know how to get everything back? Is there a way to
repair/resync my frx file? Placeing a previous frmMain.frx I had saved
either crashes the IDE or gives me another error like "read past end of
line".

HELP!

Archived from group: microsoft>public>vb>enterprise

Bob O`Bob · Joined: 04 Oct 2007 Posts: 1456

AppleBag wrote:
> So
> I open frmMain.frx and

how's sourcesafe to blame for that?

boaz · Joined: 04 Oct 2007 Posts: 259

"AppleBag" wrote in message @m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
> Hello all,
>
> Let me preface by saying I am completely new to Sourcesafe. =/
>
> I was using VSS 2K5 with VB6. I had my .vbp (project) file checked out,
> and my frmMain checked out. I spent about an hour and a half working on
> alot of things, saving locally often, but never checking the files into
> VSS.
>
> Then I made a change that I didn't like and wanted to revert to a
> previous version. I'm new to VSS and wasn't sure how to do this, but I
> figured that since I'd saved locally even if something went wrong I
> could just reload my local copy. I click "Check out" on the frmMain
> (even though it was already checked out" and I get a crash in VB.
>
> When I go to reload my local copy I get errors in some things that I
> hadn't even messed with previously, and then a out of memory error. So
> I open frmMain.frx and try editing out the properties that it says are
> erroring. So on the next load I just end up with the out of memory
> error. No amount of shutting down other programs will free up enough
> memory.
>
> So now I'm at a point where whenever I try to view the frmMain in the
> IDE, it just crashes vb entirely. It' is a large project so deleting
> frmMain.frx and trying to re-add everything is a MAAJOR chore.
>
> Also, for some reason, all of the changes I spent that hour and a half
> on are completely gone! Agggh!
>
> Does anyone know how to get everything back? Is there a way to
> repair/resync my frx file? Placeing a previous frmMain.frx I had saved
> either crashes the IDE or gives me another error like "read past end of
> line".
>
> HELP!
>

You have never checked in the file. So, you can just open Source Safe and
click "Undo Checkout". It should copy and paste whatever in the database to
your local folder. You will lose whatever you have changed to the file.

AppleBag · Joined: 04 Oct 2007 Posts: 24

Bob O`Bob wrote:
> AppleBag wrote:
> > So
> > I open frmMain.frx and
>
>
> how's sourcesafe to blame for that?

God knows. I'm still trying to figure out exactly the details of what
happened since I'm not familiar with how Sourcesafe works. All I know
at this point is that no matter which version combination of my vbp,
frmmain and frmmain.frx files I use, the VB IDE crashes whenever I
double click frmmain.frm in the IDE. All of the other forms open fine.
The only way around it is to delete frmmain.frx, which of course also
deletes just about everything on my form, so I have to assume somehow
either the frx is corrupt, or .... who knows.

I have been developing in VB6 since 1997, never using a source code
control software, and have never once had this issue. I used Sourcesafe
for a week, and now my project is ruined. It happened when I used a
sourcesafe command, check out on a checked out form. So that's how I
blame sourcesafe for this. Wink

I have tried the Undo Checkout option which didn't appear to do
anything.

Is there some tool out there that can repair/resync a corrupt frx by
comparing it with it's frm file? Or anything of that nature?

Michael C · Joined: 04 Oct 2007 Posts: 1831

"AppleBag" wrote in message @m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
> Hello all,
>
> Let me preface by saying I am completely new to Sourcesafe. =/
>
> I was using VSS 2K5 with VB6. I had my .vbp (project) file checked out,
> and my frmMain checked out. I spent about an hour and a half working on
> alot of things, saving locally often, but never checking the files into
> VSS.
>
> Then I made a change that I didn't like and wanted to revert to a
> previous version. I'm new to VSS and wasn't sure how to do this, but I
> figured that since I'd saved locally even if something went wrong I
> could just reload my local copy. I click "Check out" on the frmMain
> (even though it was already checked out" and I get a crash in VB.
>
> When I go to reload my local copy I get errors in some things that I
> hadn't even messed with previously, and then a out of memory error. So
> I open frmMain.frx and try editing out the properties that it says are
> erroring. So on the next load I just end up with the out of memory
> error. No amount of shutting down other programs will free up enough
> memory.
>
> So now I'm at a point where whenever I try to view the frmMain in the
> IDE, it just crashes vb entirely. It' is a large project so deleting
> frmMain.frx and trying to re-add everything is a MAAJOR chore.
>
> Also, for some reason, all of the changes I spent that hour and a half
> on are completely gone! Agggh!
>
> Does anyone know how to get everything back? Is there a way to
> repair/resync my frx file? Placeing a previous frmMain.frx I had saved
> either crashes the IDE or gives me another error like "read past end of
> line".

Open sourcesafe directly and get the latest version from there. You might
also need to get the latest of your project files also. You could delete
everything on your local machine and get it all again assuming nothing else
was checked out.

IF YOU EVER GET ERRORS LOADING A VB PROJECT DO NOT PUSH SAVE.

Michael

boaz · Joined: 04 Oct 2007 Posts: 259

> God knows. I'm still trying to figure out exactly the details of what
> happened since I'm not familiar with how Sourcesafe works.

SourceSafe is some sort of backup program. You tell SourceSafe what files
to backup, it then copy and paste the files to wherever folder you tell it
to backup to.

You can backup any type of files. BMP, MDB, TXT, JPEG, EXE, etc., etc.

Check In and Check Out are just another words for Backup and Restore.

When you Check In a file, what SourceSafe all does is make a copy of the
file and mark the file as Read Only. That's about it.

When you Check Out a file, it just copy and paste the file back to wherever
it was and then mark the file as Not Read Only.

AppleBag · Joined: 04 Oct 2007 Posts: 24

Thanks for the replies.

The really weird thing now is, even if i set the working folder to a
clean folder and get the entire project to that folder, and then load
it in the IDE, when I click in frmMain vb still crashes.

It is also doing the same thing on a fresh laptop, and in Virtual PC
with a Wiin98 OS installed. Crashes VB.

As I mentioned, if I delete frmMain.frx I can open frmMain without VB
crashing, but almost everything is missing from that form. So you would
think the frx must have changed when I had the recent issue a few days
ago, but the date for that file in VSS is from way back in June, and is
still causing VB to crash.

So my only other thought would logically be that since frmMain.frx is
tied directly to frmMain.frm, I should be able to just try using older
versions stored in VSS and one would work with that frx, but they all
crash VB.

Where do I go from here?
=(

Michael C wrote:
> "AppleBag" wrote in message
> @m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
> > Hello all,
> >
> > Let me preface by saying I am completely new to Sourcesafe. =/
> >
> > I was using VSS 2K5 with VB6. I had my .vbp (project) file checked out,
> > and my frmMain checked out. I spent about an hour and a half working on
> > alot of things, saving locally often, but never checking the files into
> > VSS.
> >
> > Then I made a change that I didn't like and wanted to revert to a
> > previous version. I'm new to VSS and wasn't sure how to do this, but I
> > figured that since I'd saved locally even if something went wrong I
> > could just reload my local copy. I click "Check out" on the frmMain
> > (even though it was already checked out" and I get a crash in VB.
> >
> > When I go to reload my local copy I get errors in some things that I
> > hadn't even messed with previously, and then a out of memory error. So
> > I open frmMain.frx and try editing out the properties that it says are
> > erroring. So on the next load I just end up with the out of memory
> > error. No amount of shutting down other programs will free up enough
> > memory.
> >
> > So now I'm at a point where whenever I try to view the frmMain in the
> > IDE, it just crashes vb entirely. It' is a large project so deleting
> > frmMain.frx and trying to re-add everything is a MAAJOR chore.
> >
> > Also, for some reason, all of the changes I spent that hour and a half
> > on are completely gone! Agggh!
> >
> > Does anyone know how to get everything back? Is there a way to
> > repair/resync my frx file? Placeing a previous frmMain.frx I had saved
> > either crashes the IDE or gives me another error like "read past end of
> > line".
>
> Open sourcesafe directly and get the latest version from there. You might
> also need to get the latest of your project files also. You could delete
> everything on your local machine and get it all again assuming nothing else
> was checked out.
>
> IF YOU EVER GET ERRORS LOADING A VB PROJECT DO NOT PUSH SAVE.
>
> Michael

Michael C · Joined: 04 Oct 2007 Posts: 1831

"AppleBag" wrote in message @m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>
> Thanks for the replies.
>
> The really weird thing now is, even if i set the working folder to a
> clean folder and get the entire project to that folder, and then load
> it in the IDE, when I click in frmMain vb still crashes.
>
> It is also doing the same thing on a fresh laptop, and in Virtual PC
> with a Wiin98 OS installed. Crashes VB.
>
> As I mentioned, if I delete frmMain.frx I can open frmMain without VB
> crashing, but almost everything is missing from that form. So you would
> think the frx must have changed when I had the recent issue a few days
> ago, but the date for that file in VSS is from way back in June, and is
> still causing VB to crash.
>
> So my only other thought would logically be that since frmMain.frx is
> tied directly to frmMain.frm, I should be able to just try using older
> versions stored in VSS and one would work with that frx, but they all
> crash VB.
>
> Where do I go from here?
> =(

It sounds to me like the frx file is already an older version. Sourcesafe is
constantly causing problems with frx files. All you can probably do is
delete the frx file.

Michael

Ralph · Joined: 04 Oct 2007 Posts: 4148

"AppleBag" wrote in message@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...

>
> Where do I go from here?
> =(
>
>

Michael C is correct, most likely your .frx file no longer matches the
current .frm.

Your hosed. You will need to rebuild the form (and thus rebuild the .frx
file).

There is a 'bug' or unexpected feature with the VB IDE and VSS and that is
that .frx files are not automatically perceived as something of interest to
a VB project by default. It is include in VSS/VB file types as ".fr?", but
it is a binary file (I think that is where the problem comes in, but no
matter).

When you first create a vb project and offer to include in a VSS project
just manually make sure any .frx file are added to the VSS project. After
that VSS will pick up changes and behave as expected.

As you would be wise if you have a number of binary resources that you want
to include on a form to create a separate "Resource" folder for your project
and include that with your VSS project. You can then more easily rebuild a
form (.frx) if necessary. This is important because sooner or later a .frx
file can become corrupt, or after a few years the specific resouces lost.

-ralph

> > "AppleBag" wrote in message
> > @m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
> > > Hello all,
> > >
> > > Let me preface by saying I am completely new to Sourcesafe. =/
> > >
> > > I was using VSS 2K5 with VB6. I had my .vbp (project) file checked
out,
> > > and my frmMain checked out. I spent about an hour and a half working
on
> > > alot of things, saving locally often, but never checking the files
into
> > > VSS.
> > >
> > > Then I made a change that I didn't like and wanted to revert to a
> > > previous version. I'm new to VSS and wasn't sure how to do this, but I
> > > figured that since I'd saved locally even if something went wrong I
> > > could just reload my local copy. I click "Check out" on the frmMain
> > > (even though it was already checked out" and I get a crash in VB.
> > >
> > > When I go to reload my local copy I get errors in some things that I
> > > hadn't even messed with previously, and then a out of memory error. So
> > > I open frmMain.frx and try editing out the properties that it says are
> > > erroring. So on the next load I just end up with the out of memory
> > > error. No amount of shutting down other programs will free up enough
> > > memory.
> > >
> > > So now I'm at a point where whenever I try to view the frmMain in the
> > > IDE, it just crashes vb entirely. It' is a large project so deleting
> > > frmMain.frx and trying to re-add everything is a MAAJOR chore.
> > >
> > > Also, for some reason, all of the changes I spent that hour and a half
> > > on are completely gone! Agggh!
> > >
> > > Does anyone know how to get everything back? Is there a way to
> > > repair/resync my frx file? Placeing a previous frmMain.frx I had saved
> > > either crashes the IDE or gives me another error like "read past end
of
> > > line".
> >
> > Open sourcesafe directly and get the latest version from there. You
might
> > also need to get the latest of your project files also. You could delete
> > everything on your local machine and get it all again assuming nothing
else
> > was checked out.
> >
> > IF YOU EVER GET ERRORS LOADING A VB PROJECT DO NOT PUSH SAVE.
> >
> > Michael
>

AppleBag · Joined: 04 Oct 2007 Posts: 24

Thanks for the info. I had read even before deciding to try VSS that it
was known for hosing people's projects, but the jackass that I am,
decided to try it anyway. Of course then my project gets hosed.

I was wondering if there is a better source control program that is
much more solid and reliable, and works from within both the VB6 IDE
and the VS.NET 2K5 IDE since I develop in both?

I'd like it to run on WinXP too. Some of the one's I have looked at run
on a linux server that you can access with XP but isn't actually ran on
xp itself.

Also, call me shallow but I like pretty GUI's as well as solidarity in
my source control proggies. Smile

Ralph wrote:
> "AppleBag" wrote in message
> @m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>
> >
> > Where do I go from here?
> > =(
> >
> >
>
> Michael C is correct, most likely your .frx file no longer matches the
> current .frm.
>
> Your hosed. You will need to rebuild the form (and thus rebuild the .frx
> file).
>
> There is a 'bug' or unexpected feature with the VB IDE and VSS and that is
> that .frx files are not automatically perceived as something of interest to
> a VB project by default. It is include in VSS/VB file types as ".fr?", but
> it is a binary file (I think that is where the problem comes in, but no
> matter).
>
> When you first create a vb project and offer to include in a VSS project
> just manually make sure any .frx file are added to the VSS project. After
> that VSS will pick up changes and behave as expected.
>
> As you would be wise if you have a number of binary resources that you want
> to include on a form to create a separate "Resource" folder for your project
> and include that with your VSS project. You can then more easily rebuild a
> form (.frx) if necessary. This is important because sooner or later a .frx
> file can become corrupt, or after a few years the specific resouces lost.
>
> -ralph
>
>
>
> > > "AppleBag" wrote in message
> > > @m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
> > > > Hello all,
> > > >
> > > > Let me preface by saying I am completely new to Sourcesafe. =/
> > > >
> > > > I was using VSS 2K5 with VB6. I had my .vbp (project) file checked
> out,
> > > > and my frmMain checked out. I spent about an hour and a half working
> on
> > > > alot of things, saving locally often, but never checking the files
> into
> > > > VSS.
> > > >
> > > > Then I made a change that I didn't like and wanted to revert to a
> > > > previous version. I'm new to VSS and wasn't sure how to do this, but I
> > > > figured that since I'd saved locally even if something went wrong I
> > > > could just reload my local copy. I click "Check out" on the frmMain
> > > > (even though it was already checked out" and I get a crash in VB.
> > > >
> > > > When I go to reload my local copy I get errors in some things that I
> > > > hadn't even messed with previously, and then a out of memory error. So
> > > > I open frmMain.frx and try editing out the properties that it says are
> > > > erroring. So on the next load I just end up with the out of memory
> > > > error. No amount of shutting down other programs will free up enough
> > > > memory.
> > > >
> > > > So now I'm at a point where whenever I try to view the frmMain in the
> > > > IDE, it just crashes vb entirely. It' is a large project so deleting
> > > > frmMain.frx and trying to re-add everything is a MAAJOR chore.
> > > >
> > > > Also, for some reason, all of the changes I spent that hour and a half
> > > > on are completely gone! Agggh!
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone know how to get everything back? Is there a way to
> > > > repair/resync my frx file? Placeing a previous frmMain.frx I had saved
> > > > either crashes the IDE or gives me another error like "read past end
> of
> > > > line".
> > >
> > > Open sourcesafe directly and get the latest version from there. You
> might
> > > also need to get the latest of your project files also. You could delete
> > > everything on your local machine and get it all again assuming nothing
> else
> > > was checked out.
> > >
> > > IF YOU EVER GET ERRORS LOADING A VB PROJECT DO NOT PUSH SAVE.
> > >
> > > Michael
> >

Ken Halter · Joined: 04 Oct 2007 Posts: 4150

"AppleBag" wrote in message @i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Thanks for the info. I had read even before deciding to try VSS that it
> was known for hosing people's projects, but the jackass that I am,
> decided to try it anyway. Of course then my project gets hosed.
>
> I was wondering if there is a better source control program that is
> much more solid and reliable, and works from within both the VB6 IDE
> and the VS.NET 2K5 IDE since I develop in both?
>
> I'd like it to run on WinXP too. Some of the one's I have looked at run
> on a linux server that you can access with XP but isn't actually ran on
> xp itself.
>
> Also, call me shallow but I like pretty GUI's as well as solidarity in
> my source control proggies. Smile

fwiw, I've been using SourceSafe for years and years (and years) and it has
never trashed a project.

--
Ken Halter - MS-MVP-VB - Please keep all discussions in the groups..
DLL Hell problems? Try ComGuard - http://www.vbsight.com/ComGuard.htm
In Loving Memory - http://www.vbsight.com/Remembrance.htm

boaz · Joined: 04 Oct 2007 Posts: 259

"AppleBag" wrote in message @i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Thanks for the info. I had read even before deciding to try VSS that it
> was known for hosing people's projects, but the jackass that I am,
> decided to try it anyway. Of course then my project gets hosed.
>
> I was wondering if there is a better source control program that is
> much more solid and reliable, and works from within both the VB6 IDE
> and the VS.NET 2K5 IDE since I develop in both?
>
> I'd like it to run on WinXP too. Some of the one's I have looked at run
> on a linux server that you can access with XP but isn't actually ran on
> xp itself.
>
> Also, call me shallow but I like pretty GUI's as well as solidarity in
> my source control proggies. Smile

>
>
> Ralph wrote:
>> "AppleBag" wrote in message
>> @m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >
>> > Where do I go from here?
>> > =(
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Michael C is correct, most likely your .frx file no longer matches the
>> current .frm.
>>
>> Your hosed. You will need to rebuild the form (and thus rebuild the .frx
>> file).
>>
>> There is a 'bug' or unexpected feature with the VB IDE and VSS and that
>> is
>> that .frx files are not automatically perceived as something of interest
>> to
>> a VB project by default. It is include in VSS/VB file types as ".fr?",
>> but
>> it is a binary file (I think that is where the problem comes in, but no
>> matter).
>>
>> When you first create a vb project and offer to include in a VSS project
>> just manually make sure any .frx file are added to the VSS project. After
>> that VSS will pick up changes and behave as expected.
>>
>> As you would be wise if you have a number of binary resources that you
>> want
>> to include on a form to create a separate "Resource" folder for your
>> project
>> and include that with your VSS project. You can then more easily rebuild
>> a
>> form (.frx) if necessary. This is important because sooner or later a
>> .frx
>> file can become corrupt, or after a few years the specific resouces lost.
>>
>> -ralph
>>
>>
>>
>> > > "AppleBag" wrote in message
>> > > @m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
>> > > > Hello all,
>> > > >
>> > > > Let me preface by saying I am completely new to Sourcesafe. =/
>> > > >
>> > > > I was using VSS 2K5 with VB6. I had my .vbp (project) file checked
>> out,
>> > > > and my frmMain checked out. I spent about an hour and a half
>> > > > working
>> on
>> > > > alot of things, saving locally often, but never checking the files
>> into
>> > > > VSS.
>> > > >
>> > > > Then I made a change that I didn't like and wanted to revert to a
>> > > > previous version. I'm new to VSS and wasn't sure how to do this,
>> > > > but I
>> > > > figured that since I'd saved locally even if something went wrong I
>> > > > could just reload my local copy. I click "Check out" on the frmMain
>> > > > (even though it was already checked out" and I get a crash in VB.
>> > > >
>> > > > When I go to reload my local copy I get errors in some things that
>> > > > I
>> > > > hadn't even messed with previously, and then a out of memory error.
>> > > > So
>> > > > I open frmMain.frx and try editing out the properties that it says
>> > > > are
>> > > > erroring. So on the next load I just end up with the out of memory
>> > > > error. No amount of shutting down other programs will free up
>> > > > enough
>> > > > memory.
>> > > >
>> > > > So now I'm at a point where whenever I try to view the frmMain in
>> > > > the
>> > > > IDE, it just crashes vb entirely. It' is a large project so
>> > > > deleting
>> > > > frmMain.frx and trying to re-add everything is a MAAJOR chore.
>> > > >
>> > > > Also, for some reason, all of the changes I spent that hour and a
>> > > > half
>> > > > on are completely gone! Agggh!
>> > > >
>> > > > Does anyone know how to get everything back? Is there a way to
>> > > > repair/resync my frx file? Placeing a previous frmMain.frx I had
>> > > > saved
>> > > > either crashes the IDE or gives me another error like "read past
>> > > > end
>> of
>> > > > line".
>> > >
>> > > Open sourcesafe directly and get the latest version from there. You
>> might
>> > > also need to get the latest of your project files also. You could
>> > > delete
>> > > everything on your local machine and get it all again assuming
>> > > nothing
>> else
>> > > was checked out.
>> > >
>> > > IF YOU EVER GET ERRORS LOADING A VB PROJECT DO NOT PUSH SAVE.
>> > >
>> > > Michael
>> >
>

I have been using SourceSafe for over 10 years. No problem.
But you may want to try the OpenSource fishy CVS thingy. It is free.

http://www.nongnu.org/cvs/

Bob O`Bob · Joined: 04 Oct 2007 Posts: 1456

Ken Halter wrote:
> "AppleBag" wrote in message
> @i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> Thanks for the info. I had read even before deciding to try VSS that it
>> was known for hosing people's projects, but the jackass that I am,
>> decided to try it anyway. Of course then my project gets hosed.
>>
>> I was wondering if there is a better source control program that is
>> much more solid and reliable, and works from within both the VB6 IDE
>> and the VS.NET 2K5 IDE since I develop in both?
>>
>> I'd like it to run on WinXP too. Some of the one's I have looked at run
>> on a linux server that you can access with XP but isn't actually ran on
>> xp itself.
>>
>> Also, call me shallow but I like pretty GUI's as well as solidarity in
>> my source control proggies. Smile

>
> fwiw, I've been using SourceSafe for years and years (and years) and it has
> never trashed a project.
>

Ditto.

In addition, I'll say that I have never, ever, EVER altered even one bit in any .frx file
without carefully making multiple *manual* backup copies first.

Bob
--

Michael C · Joined: 04 Oct 2007 Posts: 1831

"Ken Halter" wrote in message @TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> fwiw, I've been using SourceSafe for years and years (and years) and it
> has never trashed a project.

It's never "hosed" a project of mine but I've lost count of the number of
problems it's caused.

Michael

Michael C · Joined: 04 Oct 2007 Posts: 1831

"Ralph" wrote in message @arkansas.net...
> When you first create a vb project and offer to include in a VSS project
> just manually make sure any .frx file are added to the VSS project. After
> that VSS will pick up changes and behave as expected.

I find that a frx file can be included in VSS and then magically disappear.
I give all my forms an icon immegiately so all should have an frx file
before being checked into sourcesafe.

Michael

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