VB6 and Vista SP1

Stefan Berglund · Joined: 04 Oct 2007 Posts: 636

Has anyone installed SP1 on vista to determine whether it affects VB6
apps?

Microsoft Says Vista SP1 Blocks Third Party Apps
http://www.crn.com/software/206801221

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Stefan Berglund

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Galen Somerville · Joined: 04 Oct 2007 Posts: 55

"Stefan Berglund" wrote in message @4ax.com...
> Has anyone installed SP1 on vista to determine whether it affects VB6
> apps?
>
> Microsoft Says Vista SP1 Blocks Third Party Apps
> http://www.crn.com/software/206801221
>
> ---
> Stefan Berglund

I have a number of dll's and 3rd party ocx's that work fine under SP1

Galen

BeastFish · Joined: 04 Oct 2007 Posts: 231

This quote from the MSKB article is just.... priceless

"For reliability reasons, Microsoft blocks these programs from starting
after you install Windows Vista SP1".

"Stefan Berglund" wrote in message@4ax.com...
> Has anyone installed SP1 on vista to determine whether it affects VB6
> apps?
>
> Microsoft Says Vista SP1 Blocks Third Party Apps
> http://www.crn.com/software/206801221
>
> ---
> Stefan Berglund

Kevin Provance · Joined: 23 Feb 2008 Posts: 1

And so the purging of 3rd party apps begins. Sad

"BeastFish" wrote in message $6gk$1@aioe.org...
> This quote from the MSKB article is just.... priceless
>
> "For reliability reasons, Microsoft blocks these programs from starting
> after you install Windows Vista SP1".
>
>
>
> "Stefan Berglund" wrote in message
> @4ax.com...
>> Has anyone installed SP1 on vista to determine whether it affects VB6
>> apps?
>>
>> Microsoft Says Vista SP1 Blocks Third Party Apps
>> http://www.crn.com/software/206801221
>>
>> ---
>> Stefan Berglund
>
>

Mike Williams · Joined: 04 Oct 2007 Posts: 1309

"Kevin Provance" wrote in message @microsoft.com...

> And so the purging of 3rd party apps begins. Sad

Yep. And of course this is just the beginning. MS are already in the
business of renting applications (Office 2007 for example). Pretty soon
they'll be moving into renting the OS itself. That's where the money is, the
rental business. That's what this .net stuff is all about. They certainly
don't want people actually buying the OS and bluntly refusing to "upgrade" a
couple of years later when MS want their next cash injection! And we
certainly don't want any third party stuff getting in the way of progress.
Brave new world.

Mike

Mike Williams · Joined: 04 Oct 2007 Posts: 1309

"Robert Morley" wrote in message @TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> If anybody gets any more details on the specifics of what
> SP1 is doing here, I'd be very interested to hear about it.

I was hoping that it might address the problem of Vista seriously crippling
the 2D hardware acceleration of most decent graphics card, thereby causing
their 2D speed to drop to a small fraction of what we actually paid for when
we bought the cards . . . but I have a feeling that if anythign SP1 will
actually make that problem worse Sad

Mike

Ralph · Joined: 04 Oct 2007 Posts: 4148

"Stefan Berglund" wrote in message@4ax.com...
> Has anyone installed SP1 on vista to determine whether it affects VB6
> apps?
>
> Microsoft Says Vista SP1 Blocks Third Party Apps
> http://www.crn.com/software/206801221
>
> ---
> Stefan Berglund

For a bit of balance:
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&taxonomyName=development&articleId=9064239&taxonomyId=11&intsrc=kc_top

-ralph

Mike Williams · Joined: 04 Oct 2007 Posts: 1309

"Stefan Berglund" wrote in message @4ax.com...

> I bought a DELL ~Vista Ready~ laptop in December so
> I could test my app in that environment but I can't find the
> energy to install SP1. I will, however, easily find the energy
> to join the class action lawsuit against micro$oft:
> http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/352442_vista23.html

Yep. So shall I. Thanks for posting the link. Micro$oft have been using
their financial muscle to immorally (and probably illegally) bully all sorts
of people, including computer equipment manufacturers, for far too long. It
is about time they were brought to book for it. Lots of people have in the
past bought "Vista Ready" machines that were not ready for Vista at all, and
many more people (including myself) have purchased Vista machines which
actually have Vista installed and which are emblazoned with all sorts of
"Vista" logos but which do not actually work properly in Vista. Tens of
millions of computer systems have been sold which are fitted with expensive
2D and 3D accelerated graphics cards (and the Vista operating system) and it
is only when you get the machine home (and after lots of testing) that you
discover that Vista has totally destroyed all hardware 2D hardware
acceleration so that your shiny new machine, with its expensive accelerated
graphics card, performs at just a small fraction of the speed that it would
be capable of under a different operating system! Disgusting! Such a
dreadful company! Micro$shaft should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves!

Mike

BeastFish · Joined: 04 Oct 2007 Posts: 231

"Mike Williams" wrote in message@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> "Kevin Provance" wrote in message
> @microsoft.com...
>
> > And so the purging of 3rd party apps begins. Sad

>
> Yep. And of course this is just the beginning. MS are already in the
> business of renting applications (Office 2007 for example). Pretty soon
> they'll be moving into renting the OS itself. That's where the money is,
the
> rental business. That's what this .net stuff is all about. They certainly
> don't want people actually buying the OS and bluntly refusing to "upgrade"
a
> couple of years later when MS want their next cash injection! And we
> certainly don't want any third party stuff getting in the way of progress.
> Brave new world.
>
> Mike

I remember Bill Gates saying a few years ago that he envisions the "rental
modal" the future of personal computing. I just found an article about .NET
from 2000 with a couple of mentions. Also seems MS sees 3rd party softwares
as a potential revenue stream for MS (i.e., service rental fees), hence
VS.NET...

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2000/06/22/bill_gates_windows_the_universe/

"Microsoft wants to get the platform [Windows] out there on the Web, and it
wants it to be a services platform. The example of Windows.NET serves to
illustrate how this will work. It'll incorporate "new .NET user experience
technologies" (see the skins piece we did earlier today), and "is tightly
integrated with .NET building block services including identity and search"
(i.e. it's hooked into a Web-based services rental system)."
"It'll provide a rich foundation for developers, and here's a good bit: "It
will offer a programmable user experience that can be customised by
corporations and individuals and programmed by .NET services including
MSN.NET, bCentral for .NET and Office.NET, as well as a host of third party
..NET services." That's quite a list of things that are going to be driving
your machine for you. It also "facilitates the continuous delivery of
software to customers," which we think must be that rental thing again."

"Although Steve Ballmer was talking about monthly rental fees earlier this
year, the company seems to have been a little more reticent about it today.
But it does describe "premium" services in addition to the MSN.NET ones."

Another interesting read about Vista licensing...
http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/vista/microsoft_software_rent_me.html

BeastFish · Joined: 04 Oct 2007 Posts: 231

"Stefan Berglund" wrote in message@4ax.com...

> Windows Explorer - treeview items dance all over the screen and can only
> be stopped by rebooting.

That's called "animation"

Kevin Provance · Joined: 04 Oct 2007 Posts: 800

| There are so many millions of kids and college students
| using Facebook and MySpace, and yet so few who realize they
| could actually have their own website and be public Internet
| citizens rather than just "service consumers".
|

Amen to that! Myspace and services like it took the concept of blogging and
turned it into "point and click" type thing which as far as I'm concerned,
took all the creativity out of hobbist blogging. The thing is, myspace
pages are easily shared and found by those looking for them. Creating ones
own blog or site as we did back in the 90s has one setback, exposure. To
get ones foot into the door of the blogosphere, you had to go leave
meaningless comments on everyone elses blog comment section with your blog's
URL and hoped everyone would stop by and see what you had to say. Needless
to say those who had nothing intelligent to say or couldn't write worth a
damn didn't get noticed. Myspace doesn't seem to suffer from this. Whether
this is a good thing or a bad thing I leave up to you.

..NET is kinda of the same way. They give you the frameowkr and your
supposed to use that exclusively not even understanding the methodology
behind it or the functions it encompasses. VB Classic is different in that
when you wrote your functions, you had to understand what you were doing,
and made one more learned which would be comperable to getting your own web
space and building your own blog from the ground up. Now with Myspace and
the like, there is no need to learn javascript or perl, it's all done for
you, but there are limitations in what you can actually do whereas if you
rolled your own, you could do anything you want.

Okay, I'm done.

Bob Butler · Joined: 04 Oct 2007 Posts: 1081

"Kevin Provance" wrote in message
news:%23BdbjZAeIHA.5984@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> .NET is kinda of the same way. They give you the frameowkr and your
> supposed to use that exclusively not even understanding the methodology
> behind it or the functions it encompasses. VB Classic is different in
> that
> when you wrote your functions, you had to understand what you were doing,
> and made one more learned which would be comperable to getting your own

I agree with the general point but it's kind of funny that the argument used
to be that VB was a point-and-click interface and appealed to those who
didn't understand what was really going on and it was C++ users that knew
what they were doing.

Steve Gerrard · Joined: 04 Oct 2007 Posts: 1164

BeastFish wrote:
> "Stefan Berglund" wrote in message
> @4ax.com...
>
>> Windows Explorer - treeview items dance all over the screen and can
>> only be stopped by rebooting.
>
> That's called "animation"

LOL. Smile

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David Kerber · Joined: 04 Oct 2007 Posts: 403

In article ,
sorry.no.koolaid@for.me says...

....

> I bought a DELL ~Vista Ready~ laptop in December so I could test my app
> in that environment but I can't find the energy to install SP1. I will,
> however, easily find the energy to join the class action lawsuit against
> micro$oft:

Why against M$? They didn't put the Vista-ready sticker on; Dell did.
They are the ones you should be sueing.

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Stefan Berglund · Joined: 04 Oct 2007 Posts: 636

On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:08:12 -0500, David Kerber
wrote:
in

>In article ,
>sorry.no.koolaid@for.me says...
>
>...
>
>> I bought a DELL ~Vista Ready~ laptop in December so I could test my app
>> in that environment but I can't find the energy to install SP1. I will,
>> however, easily find the energy to join the class action lawsuit against
>> micro$oft:
>
>Why against M$? They didn't put the Vista-ready sticker on; Dell did.
>They are the ones you should be sueing.

I'm not personally suing anyone or anything. I'm simply joining a class
action suit that wouldn't have gained that status had it not had the
necessary merit. IANAL, but in my mind it's very logical that m$ is
responsible for anything with their approval on it.

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Stefan Berglund